Several versions of the songs are exclusive to this compilation and most of the tracks are from now deleted or hard to find albums and singles. The soundtrack to the funeral of New Europa imprisoned by its past, an idea originally inspired by Douglas P.
The classic, full album from , featuring the title song Rose Clouds Of Holocaust. In a World full of dead ends there is little to hold onto. One sees oneself in how one stands in relation to others. That can be a lonely picture. Lies, therefore, dominate. I should know by now that most anti-racist activists have much bigger fish to fry and are generally very understanding.
I really have very little time for this sot of shock value whiteness. Anal Cunt do it, and its not funny. I know a lot of neo-folk and black metal and cross overs do it as well, again its not cool. Like the music by all means, but don't make massive interpretations of how 'well they might be fascists but they are not really fascists'.
It compromises your position. I like a lot of black metal, but I am not apologising for any of it and if I met anyone from a black metal band who was talking about their pagan bollocks i would ridicule them like any other wiccan or what ever. All this stuff is a depressing indictment to the loss people in Europe are feeling right now and a thorough lack of socio-political imaginaries of the future. This is all myth making and I'm really uncomfortable about it all.
I think white people should look at what they have done over the last years and come to terms with that before claiming they can 'feel' some sort of primordial european-ness and can innocently express that without all the baggage it comes with.
DIJ have their issues but lots of people I know are admiring the band for its ambiguity rather than direct relation to things you so explicitly point out here. I am also critical of DIJ in certain areas but some of your comments seem like a naively learned information from the third party that suits your own eventual prejudice regarding what DIJ actually represents or doesn't represent at all I agree that DIJ deliberately confuse and manipulate the ugliness of mankind to its tasteless extremes whether in music, concerts or interviews, choosing strange and often forbidden references to cause a stir - according to Douglas's very own eccentric nature of an individual and I dare believe, just like Boyd Rice, he still gives his individual views of the world we live in , it is somewhat strange how far can he actually go but it's stll an individual view.
I don't agree with it but I also accept some of the art context these bizarre fascinations with human ugliness project. Of course DIJ and the like will attract a number of empty headed retards - Laibach, Rammstein, Marilyn Manson or David Bowie, amongst many others, experienced the same thing.
One in a row of nazi-flirting personas, Bowie for example, experienced a debacle saluting in nazi fashion around He wanted to cause a stir.
Did this change anything about his music? Well, it caused a furore of sorts in public, but nonetheless, Bowie simply if not stupidly proved how pointless it actually was - neither did he divide his audience, regardless of race.
Even "China Girl" first by Iggy and some years later by Bowie added a spicy line "Visions of swastikas in my head" just for the flavour but did it convert me - or any fan of Bowie that I know - into a fascist? I truly doubt so. Just look at the Iceland's alternative scene - bands like Theyr and Ego were rather provocatively singing directly about Rudolf Hess "Rudolf" and Hitler "Sieg heil" , in order to mock them to bits like DIJ, both Theyr and Ego were far left orientated and anti-fascist.
The problem is sadly of course , nazi aesthetic affected everyone - most people aware of the atrocities of the nazis, are in fact deconstructing its symbolism by re-adapting it into meaningless form. DIJ are no exception, they are probably aware of the consequences but as much as they attract the attention of the far right, they also attract the attention of those realising the irony of exploiting controversial issues into art form just the same.
After all, Punk started with the very same thing - McLaren and Co. Pistols and especially early Siouxsie were explicitally "swastika" It was so de-politicised. They were erasing the issue of nazism by throwing it all back into its ugly face.
One thing here I spotted you said about Yugoslavian war and some people already reacted on their own terms I am from Croatia - and I ensure you, Douglas did not support "Croatian fascists". At the time, little I knew about HOS - except that it was not officially recognised force although still supported by authorities when war just started to burst Croatian eastern border, towards the within - but it included regular people as well, willing to defend their homes, fighting against ongoing battles at the time led by Serbian paramilitary aggression.
In the end, the Yugoslavian war turned into a bloodshed mess including all sides, resulting in innocent victims on each of these sides, while today the prospects of the wrong minds and rotten hearts that used this war for their hypocritically adjusted propaganda are still being counted. With "Something Is Coming" which was basically a live concept album with humanitarian purpose , Douglas was mostly making effort to donate a support device for people in need, who fought during the war's early stage and experienced limb loss.
The donation went to one of the regular state hospitals, I really have no idea where-ever you got the information about the "fascist military hospital"? The concert was attended by regular people who knew of the group's work up to that point and none of them are fascists. An acquaintance of mine even collaborated in translating the songs for that record's lyric sheet to Croatian Of course, Douglas's gesture didn't go without complications - I heard a rumour the device was stalled on the border, and Douglas had to pay additional tax for it in order to bring it into the country - which, regarding the circumstances in which he participated willingly to donate money himself for the device, was absurd.
At that point Croatia was just about to be recognised as newly independent country, so the administration was all mess. People were all mess. Everything was all mess. This concert was one of very few curious little things that happened culturally at the time.
However, personally I didn't go seeing DIJ on that tour - I went to see them in May, , and enjoyed the noise of it, it was really stunning. Later on, I saw them twice more and I don't remember any fascist dickhead in the audience on any of these occasions For me, all of the group's blind obsession with obscure symbolism and right wing politics became quite tiresome, manly because it's in fact so immature.
I realised that by 25, I simply lost any interest in further listening to it. It turned into 'flogging a dead horse', it revealed itself as predictable self-indulgent hodge podge, actually lost in its neofolkish rally.
But, for the perversity of me or curiosity maybe more , I needed that at the time. In general, DIJ's music is made to provoke thought - I am equally disgusted at some of their shock tactics because, no matter how ambiguous they are trying to be, such direct raw aesthetics of theirs make no particular sense to me - I simply disagree and reject them. One thing I still agree about DIJ, despite its now established neofolk trademark and shallow lament, there's also a fair share of intrigue that goes along with it.
I enjoyed the sheer perversity of it but as time went by, I realised it was something I grew over, something which despite the eclectic musical value has nothing to hold on me, nothing that I find of actual timeless quality. Neither of the so-called 'neofolk' representatives have that effect on me - while I still prefer occasionally to remind myself of DIJ, listening to selected early stuff they did like the amazing "Black Radio" or experimental excursions like "Behind the Rose Fields of Rape " or frighteningly beautiful "The Fog of the World", I know in my mind there is a "firewall" that defends me from "falling prey" to any such potential trap these, or any other, songs - whether by DIJ, or else - might have.
It's obvious for what it is, or what it is not. It's up to one's personal perception. Or wrong. Regardless of Death In June's hidden politic, and regardless of whether Nazi symbology is empty of inherent existence The fact that Douglass P.
In the interview that is referenced in Dagoberts Revenge, Doulass P. I think it may be! All that bullshit dark nazi shit and he can't even give a straight fucking answer - what a crock of shit.
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If you don't have permissions to post content yet, just request it here. Death in June: a Nazi band? Posted By Steven. Nov 19 Tags media and culture Midwest Unrest music North America fascism.
Share Tweet. Attached files. Login or register to post comments. Comments Ballbreaker Nov 9 Don't get me wrong. I'm far from the nazi ideology and quite close to the Marx ideas.
While they do use nazi imagery, I will quote the Slovenian Slavoj Szizek: "The first mistake people make when identifying fascists is to think that fascists act like fascists.
Ballbreaker Nov 9 Spassmaschine Nov 9 Packaged in a brown cardboard folder with booklet and two decals. Search for:. Yule, Birthday and other FB posts Heilige! Scratched message : A holy death for Douglas….
To be re burned…to be reborn. Notes : First edition comes with insert and postcards Original Release : Packaged in a textured tan brown sleeve with plain brown inner sleeve, a big brown sepia photo of Douglas on an A4 textured sheet with statement on the reverse side and lyrics sheet.
Notes : Second edition only has insert. Released in a textured tan Digipak with 6 page lyrics booklet and 3 extra tracks. Each copy has a unique colour. Includes 4 round inserts and 4 patches. The White Grain. Red Dog — Black Dog. The Fog Of The World. Runes And Men. To Drown A Rose. Red Dog - Black Dog.
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